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but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both know for example wall street. we keep hearing these business leaders and so many others are nervous and we could see an immediate reaction there if some type of deal is not reached before january 1st. >> sure. the millionaires and billionaires, they've got a sweet deal now. they will make a lot of noise to say, raise my tax rates and i'll stop investing. of course, these are the same people who spent $400 million, $500 million to get a president hired that would cut their taxes. >> it would certainly affect it if the white house is saying you'll go off this cliff. you're looking at them
but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both...
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equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio. these are states where republicans said they were going to win and they lost and the president has a strong argument to make right now which is, just fresh off his victory, this is what he didn't have in his first term. the fiscal cliff allows him to make an argument -- >> ladies, 47% of the country voted for country. only 1% gets the benefit of all of these tax cuts. >> i know. >> that's 46% that can steal from the other side. >> thank you. happy holidays. you're coming around this time of year. it's a nice time of year. >>> when we return, the republican assumption th
equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio....
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he says i would raise taxes if. then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. i suggested, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> you're saying this is never going to happen. because if a republican says, you know what, i am actually not going to go with the pledge that i have signed and i'm going to, you know, do this compromise and vote for that, would you then target that lawmaker? would you say, you know, you're lying. you changed your mind from the pledge. now i'm going to put the substantial weight and efforts of your organization to try to unseat that republican candidate? >> george hervert walker bush broke his commitment to the american people. i don't think the americans for tax reform even put out a press release. somehow the american people figured out he broke his commitment. he couldn't get 38% of the vote when he ran in a general. he didn't lose in a primary. he lost in a general election. rai
he says i would raise taxes if. then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. i suggested, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> you're saying this is never going to happen. because if a republican says, you know what, i am actually not going to go with the pledge that i have signed and i'm going to, you know, do this compromise and vote for that, would you then target that...
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tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> republicans always put revenue on the table. democrats always promise to cut spending. we never cut spending. what i'm looking for is more revenue for entitlement reform. >> and john boehner's called for a short term fix to overt the fiscal cliff so congress can work on on a bigger deal in 2013. but in an op-ed, republican senator bob corker says both sides need to carve out a $4 trillion package that includes both revenue hikes and spending cuts by the end of the year. >>> still to come, the miss crest shopping day of the year for online retailers. snapping up deals on big ike ket item. we'll get a look. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>> today is cyber monday. analysts say it's not as big a day as it's been in past. so many people sh
tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> republicans always put revenue on the table. democrats always promise to cut spending. we never cut spending. what i'm looking for is more revenue for entitlement reform. >> and john boehner's called for a short term fix to overt the fiscal cliff so congress can work on on a bigger deal in 2013. but in an op-ed, republican senator bob corker says both sides need to carve out a $4 trillion package that includes both revenue hikes and spending...
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cuts expire for the wealthiest americans. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates but i do believe we can close a lot of loop holes. >> reporter: democrats say just closing loop holes and limiting deductions is not enough to make a dent in the nation's $16 trillion deficit. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. those have to go up. they have to go up. >> reporter: but many republicans believe the best way to close the gap is reform entitlement programs like social security and medicare. democrats aren't on board yet. >> my concern about raising that medicare retirement age is there will be gaps in coverage or coverage that's way too expensive for seniors to purchase. >> reporter: and with the fiscal cliff looming, white house economists are warning shoppers concerned about a tax increase pay not spend as much this holiday season. danielle -- nottingham, cbs news. >>> investors are worried the strong start to the holiday shopping season may not last. right now, let's take a look at the dow. it's down nearly 60 points at this hour.
cuts expire for the wealthiest americans. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates but i do believe we can close a lot of loop holes. >> reporter: democrats say just closing loop holes and limiting deductions is not enough to make a dent in the nation's $16 trillion deficit. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. those have to go up. they have to go up. >> reporter: but many republicans believe the best way to close...
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it's about unnecessary taxes. both don't want unnecessary taxes as well. as long as we are able to have an intelligent conversation and move away from the sound bites compromise is easier to be made. >> 37 days until then. >>> a voluntary recall for the generic version of the popular anti-cholesterol drug lipitor. the generic version is made by ranbaxy pharmaceuticals as seen in this entry from an online drugstore. it is feared glass particles may be in bottles of the drugs. the company based in india is calling back 40 batches of the generic pill. >>> if you didn't get your shopping fix this weekend, relax. there's cyber monday. could the internet's biggest shopping day soon be a thing of the past? this monday online only. get the droid razr by motorola in cranberry, free. or a white 7-inch samsung galaxy tab 2, just $99.99. this holiday, get the best deals on the best devices on the best network. exclusively at verizon. thor's couture gets the most rewards of any small business credit card. your boa! [ garth ] thor's small business earns double miles on
it's about unnecessary taxes. both don't want unnecessary taxes as well. as long as we are able to have an intelligent conversation and move away from the sound bites compromise is easier to be made. >> 37 days until then. >>> a voluntary recall for the generic version of the popular anti-cholesterol drug lipitor. the generic version is made by ranbaxy pharmaceuticals as seen in this entry from an online drugstore. it is feared glass particles may be in bottles of the drugs. the...
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not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was just elected. i made aware the only thing i'm honoring is the oath i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> both of these senators are saying they aren't going to be browned by grover norquist from americans for tax reform. this is an issue bigger than norquist. the republican party has positioned itself as the smaller government, anti-tax party. but they've lost an election and it appears that republicans in the senate will see about the house, already to give some ground. >> john, thank you. that's good news. looks like at least
not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was...
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it's about unnecessary taxes. both don't want unnecessary taxes as well. as long as we are able to have an intelligent conversation and move away from the sound bites compromise is easier to be made. >> 37 days until then. >>> a voluntary recall for the generic version of the popular anti-cholesterol drug lipitor. the generic version is made by ranbaxy pharmaceuticals as seen in this entry from an online drugstore. it is feared glass particles may be in bottles of the drugs. the country based in india is calling back 40 batches of the generic pill. >>> if you didn't get your shopping fix this weekend, relax. there's cyber monday. could the internet's biggest shopping day soon be a thing of the past? and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take. sorry, we take. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your mo
it's about unnecessary taxes. both don't want unnecessary taxes as well. as long as we are able to have an intelligent conversation and move away from the sound bites compromise is easier to be made. >> 37 days until then. >>> a voluntary recall for the generic version of the popular anti-cholesterol drug lipitor. the generic version is made by ranbaxy pharmaceuticals as seen in this entry from an online drugstore. it is feared glass particles may be in bottles of the drugs. the...
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tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >>> to overseas now, where egypt, the country's newly elected leader there has granted himself unchecked power. it's sparking days of violent clashes and sent the country's stock market into free fall. nbc's jim maceda joins us live now. good morning to you. >> good morning, lynn. it's a critical day for mohamed morsi, a former leader of the muslim brotherhood which began on thursday when he issued the decree putting all his decisions effectively above the law. he said he was doing that to protect egypt's very slow move towards democracy from the judges and prosecutors mostly hand picked by hosni mubarak who were seen as sabotaging the process. the backlash was huge, was immediate, the past four days with national strikes, a sit-in on tahrir square and on goin
tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >>> to overseas now, where egypt, the country's newly elected leader there has granted himself unchecked power. it's sparking days of violent clashes and sent the country's stock market into free fall. nbc's jim maceda joins us live now....
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gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking thing that america is the most powerful country on earth before the health care law was passed, had a massive number of many, many millions of uninsured people in the country when every other industrialized country has universal coverage. >> right. we do all agree with that, right? >> one of the more historic things, it's going to move millions of uninsured people into the ranks of the civilized world. >> and as the president promised, also not only is he going to put 30 million people on the rolls for health care, it's also going t
gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking...
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. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal debt limit. it's set by law at $16.4 trillion. the nation is already approaching the national debt of $16.3 trillion. nobody wants a repeat of that summer standoff we went through last year. >> certainly so. susan mcginness in washington this morning, thank you so much. >>> while washington is worried about the fiscal cliff it appears the average american is looking to spend. the holiday shopping season got started in record fashion thanksgiving night and the spending spree lasted through the weekend. according
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rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the country's stock market into a freefall. our reporter is in cairo with the very latest. ayman, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. egypt's stock market opened for a second straight day, and it plunged already by 4%. now, that's already a day after it lost 10%, and officials there had to stop trading just to prevent it from declining any further. that's the economic turmoil this country finds itself in. there are tons of other political and social unrest unfolding across the egyptian capital, cairo. a short while from now, mourners are going to be prayi
rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the...
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if an agreement is not reached by the end of the year, a series of tax increases and spending cuts will automatically kick in. lawmakers in both major parties say they're willing to compromise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid becoming brief and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> the big questions are weather republicans are open to some forms of tax increases and whether democrats will consider cuts to entitlement programs. >>> a san francisco's couple challenge of the defense of marriage act will be one of several the u.s. supreme court considers this week. they will decide whether to hear an appeal of the prop 8. they're expected to meet this week to decide which cases it will hear next year. >>> on this monday, while we're cyber shopping, it's about the fog today. >> it is. >> sorry about that. >> dangerous out there. >> it's pretty tough, you're driving along, clear skies and all of a sudden you hit the fog that's out there. the numbers on the chilly side as well as we start off monday. we'll be talking wet
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are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president. >> i do. >> you know the way he thinks and frankly many of his cabinet members and those quhis pwhispe his ear thing. he'll barnstorm the country and talk about the 39.6%, talking about marginal rates. where is the room to the extent you believe there's room, to compromise, with a house that doesn't want to talk about marginal rates at all? where is the white house able to compromise? >> i've been doing deals for many years, greg has, there's always compromise. could you put the buffett rule in to raise a bit of money over here? the beauty of this situation, it's difficult, but the beauty of it is, it's not
are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president....
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3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest, $4,000 of dividends and $1,000 in net capital gains would not apply. $240,000 -- but if you had capital gains, net capital gains of 10,000, you're in that threshold of 250, it's going to kick in and that 3.8% on that net, the net difference being $6,000 above 250 is 3.8%. $228. the point here is this is a number that everyone can at least try to think about and figure out where it is. this is happening no matter what happens with rise above. these are numbers you should start thinking about and planning right now
3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest,...
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taxes rise. martha: even the white house is warning that the uncertainty of a potential tax hike could hurt american retailers during this deholiday shopping season. white house economists saying quote, as we approach the holiday season which accounts for 1/5 of industry sales, retailers can not afford the threat of tax increases on middle class families. bill: as we learn more about what each side is kill willing to concede in this argument president obama meets with leaders later in the week. this morning we'll meet with house majority leader eric cantor live in "america's newsroom.". next hour we talk to him where these negotiations are. how much each side is willing to give up and what they want in return. ultimately will they get a deal? eric cantor coming up next hour. martha: it is all in the language and semantics of these discussions. as u.s. lawmakers continue all this wrangling over some kind of budget deal we work towards here at home, european lawmakers are meeting today on their fin
taxes rise. martha: even the white house is warning that the uncertainty of a potential tax hike could hurt american retailers during this deholiday shopping season. white house economists saying quote, as we approach the holiday season which accounts for 1/5 of industry sales, retailers can not afford the threat of tax increases on middle class families. bill: as we learn more about what each side is kill willing to concede in this argument president obama meets with leaders later in the week....
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otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and easings of the economic blockade of gaza. >>> the bodies of a northern california couple have been recovered after they were swept out to sea trying to save their dog. the family was playing fetch with their dog north of eureka on saturday. the dog chased after a stick and got pulled into the ocean by eight to ten foot waves. the boy and his parents followed the dog into the water. >> horrible story. >> feeling lucky? no grand prize winner saturday night. the jackpot for wednesday's powerball drawing is up to $425 million. that number could go even higher depen
otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and...
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exactly. >> it's not raising taxes. it is not raising the rate of taxes. it the is just cutting the -- the deduction for capping emissions on your jet. >> stephanie: i think the good news is the president has cut through that [ bleep ] he said if you come to me and say can we kind of do this and close the loophole and something that's not exactly a tax increase. he said no. we're wise to what you're talking about. >> that's the softening of rhetoric you're seeing on the right is in response to a president that now really has nothing to lose. so why not -- so why not at least try to sound reasonable, back off the radical positions. >> stephanie: yep. rudeness, are you delightful. as a post-holiday leftover or fresh. >> thank you. i'll be the stuffing in your turkey sandwich any time. >> stephanie: okay. all right then. all right. >> i'm glad nobody -- >> stephanie: i just made extra gravy. >> stephanie you won't ease miller! [ buzzer ] >> see what you made -- did to me rudeness? >> wow. >> stephanie: what's that about? >> you said it! >> stephanie: i don't
exactly. >> it's not raising taxes. it is not raising the rate of taxes. it the is just cutting the -- the deduction for capping emissions on your jet. >> stephanie: i think the good news is the president has cut through that [ bleep ] he said if you come to me and say can we kind of do this and close the loophole and something that's not exactly a tax increase. he said no. we're wise to what you're talking about. >> that's the softening of rhetoric you're seeing on the right...